Jeff Paul: Imagining VGK Without William Karlsson (w/ NHL 19 Simulation)

What would Vegas want from NYR for Karlsson? Pick 20 would be the starting point I’m assuming..

Quotes aren't working but @slim

As a guy without a dog in the race I'd try to talk about #2. Since I doubt that goes far I'd be looking at some combination of#20, Anderson, Chytil or Kravtsov and maybe Skjei. Flex it up or down based on which of those assets you pick. That's just a spit ball but a discussion starting point

Quotes aren't working but @slim

As a guy without a dog in the race I'd try to talk about #2. Since I doubt that goes far I'd be looking at some combination of#20, Anderson, Chytil or Kravtsov and maybe Skjei. Flex it up or down based on which of those assets you pick. That's just a spit ball but a discussion starting point
- Takemedrunkimhome

Yes, 2 is out of the question.

I’d do 20 and Andersson with another second thrown in, or 20 and Skjei. Kravtsov and Chytil would be very hard to give up. 20, Skjei and one of them is to much imo. I’m not sure Vegas can afford Skjei, he makes 5+ a year. Miller and Lundkvist are also pretty good prospects on D.

Karlsson is kind of a perfect fit for them right now tho, so it could definitely be a match between the two. Rangers need a 1A, 1B or #2 center

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As a guy without a dog in the race I'd try to talk about #2. Since I doubt that goes far I'd be looking at some combination of#20, Anderson, Chytil or Kravtsov and maybe Skjei. Flex it up or down based on which of those assets you pick. That's just a spit ball but a discussion starting point
- Takemedrunkimhome

It's tough to tell because if they really want to, all it costs is a first and third if they wait to offer sheet him. Sadly, GMs don't offer sheet often.

It's tough to tell because if they really want to, all it costs is a first and third if they wait to offer sheet him. Sadly, GMs don't offer sheet often.
- Jeff Paul

I thought of that too, but Rangers have traded a few picks so I’m not sure they’d be able to offer sheet him specifically. Depending on picks they have or don’t have. I’d think Karlsson would probably get 7 mill a year? Via offer sheet or just a new deal

I thought of that too, but Rangers have traded a few picks so I’m not sure they’d be able to offer sheet him specifically. Depending on picks they have or don’t have. I’d think Karlsson would probably get 7 mill a year? Via offer sheet or just a new deal
- Slimtj100

I think he'd sign for the $6.3 which keeps it to a first and a third. He's well worth that pick compensation, even at his 2018-19 offensive numbers.

He's not signing an offer sheet in the $4.3M to $6.3M range resulting in just a 1st and 3rd. Even if he did agree to a number in that range, it's not going to be just for 5 years. It's going to be 7 years. So let's say he agrees to $6.1M x 7 years. From a compensation perspective that's equal to $8.5M or two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Nobody is going to surrender that much for Karlsson. So an offer sheet isn't happening. A trade is possible, but not an offer sheet.

I think he'd sign for the $6.3 which keeps it to a first and a third. He's well worth that pick compensation, even at his 2018-19 offensive numbers.
- Jeff Paul

I just looked, I don’t think rangers can offer sheet anyone that sends a 2nd or 3rd to any teams. So offer sheeting him is out, would have to be a trade.

He's not signing an offer sheet in the $4.3M to $6.3M range resulting in just a 1st and 3rd. Even if he did agree to a number in that range, it's not going to be just for 5 years. It's going to be 7 years. So let's say he agrees to $6.1M x 7 years. From a compensation perspective that's equal to $8.5M or two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Nobody is going to surrender that much for Karlsson. So an offer sheet isn't happening. A trade is possible, but not an offer sheet.
- uofcguy

I think he'd sign a multi-year deal under $6.3 million. Not sure about the $8.5 million figure.

I think he'd sign a multi-year deal under $6.3 million. Not sure about the $8.5 million figure.
- Jeff Paul

You need to research the rules about offer sheets. $6.1M x 7 years is regarded as $8.5M and therefore worth two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Look it up.

You need to research the rules about offer sheets. $6.1M x 7 years is regarded as $8.5M and therefore worth two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Look it up.
- uofcguy

Offer sheet 5 years & problem solved.

You need to research the rules about offer sheets. $6.1M x 7 years is regarded as $8.5M and therefore worth two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Look it up.
- uofcguy

Cap friendly has the top end of a 1st and 3rd at 6,341,152...6,341,153 starts the 1-2 and 3 picks range

Unless it’s not updated, but it says 2019 compensation or unless years offered matters and changes things

Maybe you should apologize?

Vegas needs cap relief and Isles could use a C of Karlsson's caliber, so I propose these 2 teams come together on this;

Aho/JHS & pick = Wild Bill


Done & send to commish office

Vegas needs cap relief and Isles could use a C of Karlsson's caliber, so I propose these 2 teams come together on this;

Aho/JHS & pick = Wild Bill


Done & send to commish office
- Hell_Bent

Well your neighbors in Manhattan have a better offah

Cap friendly has the top end of a 1st and 3rd at 6,341,152...6,341,153 starts the 1-2 and 3 picks range

Unless it’s not updated, but it says 2019 compensation or unless years offered matters and changes things

Maybe you should apologize?
- Slimtj100

I made it pretty clear that Karlsson wouldn't sign any offer sheet unless it was 7 years. He can get 8 years from Vegas, so signing 7 years for another team is a sacrifice. Why on earth would he settle for 5 years in the range of $4.3M to $6.3M?? That's the first point.

Then I said even if he settles for $6.1M or $6.3M - highly unlikely by the way - but even if he takes that over 7 years the compensation is not a 1st and 3rd. It's two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd.

I have nothing to apologize for because frankly I'm the only one on this thread so far that actually understands how offer sheets work. Again, go re-read my posts carefully and do your own research.

Well your neighbors in Manhattan have a better offah
- Slimtj100

I really dont wanna up my offer unless I have too,

I made it pretty clear that Karlsson wouldn't sign any offer sheet unless it was 7 years. He can get 8 years from Vegas, so signing 7 years for another team is a sacrifice. Why on earth would he settle for 5 years in the range of $4.3M to $6.3M?? That's the first point.

Then I said even if he settles for $6.1M or $6.3M - highly unlikely by the way - but even if he takes that over 7 years the compensation is not a 1st and 3rd. It's two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd.

I have nothing to apologize for because frankly I'm the only one on this thread so far that actually understands how offer sheets work. Again, go re-read my posts carefully and do your own research.
- uofcguy

Someone appears to need some puss. Sheesh, what a grouch.

I agree he’d get more, I would offer sheet him 7 for 49, at 7 AAV. But rangers can’t

I really dont wanna up my offer unless I have too,
- Hell_Bent

Ho sang really?

Ho sang really?
- Slimtj100

In all honesty, I know the kid has waking up issues & following orders but he is talented. Maybe a change of scenery will help??

In all honesty, I know the kid has waking up issues & following orders but he is talented. Maybe a change of scenery will help??
- Hell_Bent

Idk. He’s like duclair. Sh!t for brains

Idk. He’s like duclair. Sh!t for brains
- Slimtj100

True but Duke is having at least some NHL success. Regardless of JHS issues, he's a player that still has potential & makes no $$$ two things that maybe Vegas may need since there up against cap & trying to fill out a roster.

Someone appears to need some puss. Sheesh, what a grouch.

I agree he’d get more, I would offer sheet him 7 for 49, at 7 AAV. But rangers can’t
- Slimtj100

Well don't tell someone to apologize when they are actually 100% correct and merely trying to help others understand the facts. Its neat that you looked up the compensation tables but you missed the point on 7 years versus 5, which is a huge reason why nobody offer sheets anyone. Players are going to push for the max term which escalates the compensation. Something that has been discussed numerous times.

Well don't tell someone to apologize when they are actually 100% correct and merely trying to help others understand the facts. Its neat that you looked up the compensation tables but you missed the point on 7 years versus 5, which is a huge reason why nobody offer sheets anyone. Players are going to push for the max term which escalates the compensation. Something that has been discussed numerous times.
- uofcguy

Ok I didn’t know that. I even asked that kinda, You really don’t need to be nasty about it

Like you said, I never think of offer sheets because they don’t really happen

Marner or Point is possible this year tho

Ok I didn’t know that. I even asked that kinda, You really don’t need to be nasty about it

Like you said, I never think of offer sheets because they don’t really happen

Marner or Point is possible this year tho
- Slimtj100

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